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Over cooling. - 2007/02/01 14:13 Matt you mentioned in your Sno* drift update.
"Eve, the Paladin car, was showing a water temp of 140 degrees. Typical operating temperatures are in the 180 190 range. The cold temperatures meant that the already high efficiency radiator cooled too much."
I'm not to sure what you run for a thermostat. But The thermostat's main job is to allow the engine to heat up quickly, and then to keep the engine at a constant temperature. Once the temperature of the coolant rises to between 180 and 195 F(depending on the type of thermostat you run), the thermostat starts to open, allowing fluid to flow through the radiator. By the time the coolant reaches 200 to 218 F the thermostat is open all the way In an attempt to flow as much coolant through the radiator and cool it. (not the problem at hand)But, The same theory is applied to when the car is to cool. The thermostat will detect the cooler coolant flowing in the system and close in an attempt to stop the flow of coolant there for heating up the system and keeping the coolant in its operating temp. Now if the thermostat was not working right as in it was stuck in the open position it would continue to flow coolant through the system and cool the coolant down much lower than the desired temp.
Any chance you could add to this theory of mine?
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Re:Over cooling. - 2007/02/05 05:53 You are totally correct. 90 precent of the time race cars will run hotter than street cars. This is because of the frequency of wide open acceleration, and then power under breaking. At OT last year I was having overheating issues. I call overheating about 220. The engine will survive it, but your charge temp is too high, and your likley to get detonation.

So an easy porformance modification is to install a thermostat that opens at a lower temperature, in this case 145. This allows coolant to start flowing sooner, and give the radiator a head start to keep the temperatures at the end of a twisty 20 mile stage down.

After OT we increased the size of our radiator, added a second fan, and started running with the hood spaced up to allow air flow through engine compartment. This allowed us to keep the engine cool on the twisty X games desert stages.

Unfortunatly, when you start flowing sub zero air through this high efficency system, especially at a rally like Sno* Drift, which is high speed, and not twisty, the coolant stays at the 145 mark.

There was a freezing rain at Perce Niege as well, but with our choked cooling system we were running at a warm enough temperature to keep it from freezing more than 1/4 of the way down the windshield.

On an interesting sidenote. Everyone knows that running too hot sucks horsepower from a motor (high charge temps mean a less dense air, and a possibility of pre detonation). Did you know that when running too cold the air fuel mixture won't combust as efficiently (or completly).
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Re:Over cooling. - 2007/02/05 20:36 On topic youtube video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yQ9nX0RH1_Q
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Re:Over cooling. - 2007/02/06 06:06 That video started out HOT!!, but at the end I thoulght it was pretty cool too.

They run such small radiators! But then it looks like they have coolers for everything else. When I'm in charge of a WRC program I'll have millions to spend on researching optimum charge temps and CFM airflow though my Rad. Untill then I'm forced to ballpark things, and usually on the conservative side.

Another thing I wanted to say, I'm actually not a hundred precent positive on what tempature my thermostat opens at. RalliSpec told me they were putting in a cooler thermostat, and I said...


doooooooode, raaaaaaaaad.....
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Re:Over cooling. - 2007/02/06 07:42 Hahaha!
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Re:Over cooling. - 2007/02/06 08:22

nice pic matt.

i'm wondering why you guys didn't adjust your cooling system for these cold rallies (i'm assuming you did not if you did please tell) - especially after sno*drift. at least you got a bit more view through the windscreen this time.

i'm not very familiar with the subaru engines, but is it not easy to change the thermostat or disable one of your fans? did you lower the hood (to prevent so much air flow? add a damn for the radiator like i did an sno*drift (preferably with something better than a beer box)?

how many more cold rallies do you have to run before spring? put phil to work!
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Re:Over cooling. - 2007/02/06 18:52 Just to get an idea for 100aw, next week the temp is going to be a High of 42 F with a low around 30 F.
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